Classpect discussion

[RoyalFiddle]

Rip and tear.
Rip and tear, until it is done.

Your name is DOOMSLAYER, and although you have been around since 1993, it is today that you truly get to RIP AND TEAR, you are a KNIGHT of GUN, though you don't really give a shit about that, unless it allows you to fight DEMONS with BIG GUTS, GUTS THAT YOU CAN RIP AND TEAR. You are currently on a Hell (and Heaven) torn Earth, hunting down the bastard from the last game (You know the one). What will you do? Actually, the only acceptable answer to that is KILL THEM ALL

[MatthewHMay]

A Knight of Rage might use some manifestation of Rage to further their mission, maybe by tearing things down (metaphorically? literally? both?) to create new pathways.

Okay cool I was thinking along the same lines. I was talking with some folks in a Tablestuck game and they came up with the idea that someone like a Page of Rage would pretty much become Rage incarcerate and be similar to the hulk that the get uber buff when they use their powers.

Another thing to consider is the social aspect of a Knight of Rage to possibly "Exploit through Rage" Implying stuff like infuriating enemies or causing in-fighting in the derse royalty. It could also be inferred as meaning the Knight emboldens their allows via their rage.

I generally identify myself with Time, going by the idea that Sburb would assign you an aspect that would help you grow as a person. Beginnings, endings, and continuations are all things I'd do well to learn to work with.

Time has always been one of my favorite aspects to think about. Because for the most part we see just the one kind of time powers, but what a player could slow or even freeze time? There's a lot of ideas that never got explored.

[Pine]

A Knight of Rage might use some manifestation of Rage to further their mission, maybe by tearing things down (metaphorically? literally? both?) to create new pathways.

Okay cool I was thinking along the same lines. I was talking with some folks in a Tablestuck game and they came up with the idea that someone like a Page of Rage would pretty much become Rage incarcerate and be similar to the hulk that the get uber buff when they use their powers.

Another thing to consider is the social aspect of a Knight of Rage to possibly "Exploit through Rage" Implying stuff like infuriating enemies or causing in-fighting in the derse royalty. It could also be inferred as meaning the Knight emboldens their allows via their rage.

Batman is a knight of rage if an example helps you visualize how knight of rage might manifest personality-wise!!!

[Callz2k]

I've found that based on most quizzes and my own personal research I believe I would be a Knight of Rage.
What kind of powers do y'all think knights of rage would have?

IMO a Knight is one who allows service of and through their aspect, and Rage is of narrowed perspective, doubt, contradictions, irrelevance, and roles.
A knight of rage is likely led by a temper that they hid under countless masks of roles and parts they play, or through constant contradictions that cast doubt on themselves.
As for powers, I'm not entirely certain, Rage is one of those aspects that we haven't seen play out in god tier form, so it's hard to say.

[Callz2k]

Time has always been one of my favorite aspects to think about. Because for the most part we see just the one kind of time powers, but what a player could slow or even freeze time? There's a lot of ideas that never got explored.

A Thief of Time would likely be capable of slowing down their foes, as well as giving themselves a neat speed boost.

A Page of Time would be capable of straight up ZA WARDO!!ing(freezing time) for themselves and their friends, but this would take a long, long time to grow into naturally or they are put in a position where they have no other option.

[PhosofRadiance]

I've found that based on most quizzes and my own personal research I believe I would be a Knight of Rage.
What kind of powers do y'all think knights of rage would have?

IMO a Knight is one who allows service of and through their aspect, and Rage is of narrowed perspective, doubt, contradictions, irrelevance, and roles.

I'm not sure I understand exactly. Can you elaborate?

[Callz2k]

I'm not sure I understand exactly. Can you elaborate?

The knight is the Passive Serve class, it allows for service of and through it's aspect.
Not exactly fully sure of the ramifications and meaning of this, but at least part of their ability set is allowing their environment itself to serve those they choose they're aspect. This leads to the commonly observed phenomenon of the session a knight is within seeming to lack their aspect. (Ua1 lacking a choice[Mind], Ua2 lacking a plan[Blood], and Ub1 lacking in time[Time])

I'm not exactly sure on the mechanics of knights, I'll be honest, I don't really know what their path is.

[egg]

I'm not sure I understand exactly. Can you elaborate?

The knight is the Passive Serve class, it allows for service of and through it's aspect.
Not exactly fully sure of the ramifications and meaning of this, but at least part of their ability set is allowing their environment itself to serve those they choose they're aspect. This leads to the commonly observed phenomenon of the session a knight is within seeming to lack their aspect. (Ua1 lacking a choice[Mind], Ua2 lacking a plan[Blood], and Ub1 lacking in time[Time])

I'm not exactly sure on the mechanics of knights, I'll be honest, I don't really know what their path is.

I wouldn't describe it as servitude for two reasons (I don't care about active/passive because it's essentially useless)
1, and the shortest one: Describing someone's role as 'serving' is pretty shitty for them, as everyone should be able to choose their own path. This is why people who used the same verb for Maids got a lot of flack back in the day.
2:

ARADIA: the knight of time is not necessarily the tactician
ARADIA: he is a powerful warrior class which exploits the flow of time as a weapon

CG: ANYWAY, SHE AND DAVE DO A LOT OF FROG BREEDING, ACCELERATING THE PROCESS SIGNIFICANTLY BY EXPLOITING TIME TRAVEL, WITH HELP FROM ME AND KANAYA, SINCE WE WERE IN CHARGE OF FROG DUTIES IN OUR SESSION.

CG: SHE AND DAVE RAN INTO JACK, WHICH I’M SURE HE MUST HAVE SAW COMING BECAUSE I’VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE EXPLOIT TIME TRAVEL SO SHAMELESSLY AS HIM, NOT EVEN ARADIA.

How'd he exploit time? Ridiculous, and ridiculous amounts of, stable loops: rigging the stock exchange to create massive, ungodly amounts of money, compressing weeks' worth of time into hours, wrapping his will into the future, and shoving many coordinated future selves in different fights, all without ever dooming himself. To quote BKEW, "He wasn’t creating, destroying, or changing Time. He was just making the maximum possible use of the Time he had!"
And, to quote him AGAIN,

Give a Knight his sword, and he’ll cut down foes, mend armor, scale walls, unlock doors, perform alchemy, fell drawbridges, dice vegetables and stir stew, jumpstart cars, unclog his plumbing, clog an enemy’s plumbing, and perform circus entertainment… all with the same, solitary, unchanged sword. And when it finally breaks in half, he’ll use the hilt as a dagger and the tip as a doorstop.

[Callz2k]

You could say that a Knight allows their aspect to serve themselves.

[TimeBender25]

Classpect is wack.

I was gonna post a rant about Prince of Blood but I have no energy for it.

[frogmoss10]

I'm a Page of Light.

The way I see it, Pages grow through hardship. So, say, a Page of Breath in my eyes would simply grow more determined the more crap you throw at them. This is really just conjecture on my end and not based directly off the comic in any way.

As a Page of Light, I suppose I'd learn through hardship, considering that in my eyes, Light is the aspect of two things: the unknowable (luck, etc.), and the absolute(facts, fate, etc.). An extremely powerful page would probably end up being one of two things: someone who knows a lot about things like fate, or the more combat-oriented ridiculous levels of luck that characters like Vriska have.

Of course, this is all from someone who has been a Homestuck for less than a month, so take my view with a serving of salt.

[VASKA]

Classpects are just Jungian psycho-analysis, can you change my mind?

But I'm not going to classpect myself right now, because I'm in kind of a transitionary period of my life. In the past, though, I considered myself a Prince of Time, and the extended zodiac quiz confirmed Time for me.

[Nep]

What are the possibilities that homestuck^2 will add new classes and aspects? Because it feels like that might happen and we'd have to discuss that.

[VASKA]

What are the possibilities that homestuck^2 will add new classes and aspects? Because it feels like that might happen and we'd have to discuss that.

I doubt we'll get any new aspects, unless Piss makes it into the story officially. The 12 aspects we have seen cover pretty much all the needs of the narrative, manage to encapsulate the "forces of the universe" very well, and have been codified in the Extended Zodiac. Added new aspects would probably do more to mess stuff up than actually do anything worthwhile.

[Dream Muttman]

What are the possibilities that homestuck^2 will add new classes and aspects? Because it feels like that might happen and we'd have to discuss that.

OD would throw a fit so that'll never happen.

Classpects are just Jungian psycho-analysis, can you change my mind?

Aspects are actually anthropomorphic concepts playing 4d chess a la Umineko. Psychology is the purview of one of them (Mind), the hobby of one other (Heart) and they make up stuff like Jung because they have fun acting snooty and pretentious to make fun of Light, who plays along because they don't get the joke.

[Callz2k]

What are the possibilities that homestuck^2 will add new classes and aspects? Because it feels like that might happen and we'd have to discuss that.

Aspects are a no go, except possibly an aspect at the center of the wheel.
For classes, again, a center class could be viable, but I think that there is also potential for a pair of classes that are equal in Active and Passive charge to the master classes.
However, currently I think that there aren't any major voids in the system that need to be filled, and since OD is on the team there's a decent chance that it will stick to canon classes and aspects, but you never know.

[ZyhpenNoodles]

You know, I really wish there was more information on Classpects. Sure, we got classpecting people and stuff like that, but wouldn't it be nice to have a straight answer to these things instead? To clear things up? Get more information on certain Classes and Aspects? For example, Mage and Doom.

Maybe someday. I don't know.
Hopefully someone uses a toblerone for this to happen.

[RoyalFiddle]

You know, I really wish there was more information on Classpects. Sure, we got classpecting people and stuff like that, but wouldn't it be nice to have a straight answer to these things instead? To clear things up? Get more information on certain Classes and Aspects? For example, Mage and Doom.

One finger curls around the Monkey's Paw as your wish is granted. Sure, we certainly know a lot more about the classpects now, but was it really worth the end of the world, the Homestuck fandom thinks to itself, survivors of the meteors, already having entered the Medium.

[egg]

You know, I really wish there was more information on Classpects. Sure, we got classpecting people and stuff like that, but wouldn't it be nice to have a straight answer to these things instead? To clear things up? Get more information on certain Classes and Aspects? For example, Mage and Doom.

Maybe someday. I don't know.
Hopefully someone uses a toblerone for this to happen.

[ZyhpenNoodles]

You know, I really wish there was more information on Classpects. Sure, we got classpecting people and stuff like that, but wouldn't it be nice to have a straight answer to these things instead? To clear things up? Get more information on certain Classes and Aspects? For example, Mage and Doom.

Maybe someday. I don't know.
Hopefully someone uses a toblerone for this to happen.

Aight, fair enough.